『藤井七段』マナー違反で怒られてしまう
藤井 聡太(ふじい そうた、2002年7月19日 - )は将棋棋士。杉本昌隆八段門下。棋士番号は307。愛知県瀬戸市出身。名古屋大学教育学部附属高等学校在学中(2018年4月 - )。 2016年に史上最年少(14歳2か月)で四段昇段(プロ入り)を果たすと、プロ入りから無敗のまま公式戦最多連勝記録
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■待ったは無し!
指した=駒を動かす。その駒から指が離れた瞬間をいう。駒が手から離れた瞬間、指し直しはできない
■始めと終わりにあいさつ
何処の業界でも同じですが、できない人が居るのも現実です。 始める前には「お願いします」 打つ手が無い時には「負けました」「ありません」「駄目です」等の意思表示が必要です。 助言はいけません
■助言は禁止
常識ですが、完全に終了するまで、口を挟んではいけない。 許されているのはTVでの将棋解説者だけ(笑)
■駒は駒台に置く
駒を握りしめる行為や、相手の見えない所に置いておくのはルール違反です。
■駒を叩きつけたり、空打ちしはマナー違反
イキってやる人をみかけますが、イラッとしてしまう行為なのでマナー違反です(笑)
■指し手戻し
駒を動かした後、まだ駒が指から離れないという理由で戻すことは、ルール違反ではありませんがマナー違反です。
今回、藤井聡太さんが脇息の上で書いたのですが、これもマナー違反のようですね。
藤井の2つ目のタイトル挑戦が、地元愛知で幕を開けた。 先月下旬の棋聖戦第2局の黒の着物、濃紺の羽織からはガラッと変わり、涼やかな白の着物にライトグレーの羽織姿の“夏仕様”で登場した。
「史上最年長VS史上最年少」。力強い受けで「千駄ケ谷の受け師」の異名を持つ木村に、17歳は切れ味鋭い速球を投げ込み続けた。 1日夕、藤井は身体を前後に揺らし、読みを深める勝負どころの53手目、1時間36分考え、1手を繰り出した。
午後6時、立会人の谷川浩司九段が「封じ手時刻になりました」と告げると、木村が54手目を封じて1日目が終了。 木村から「最後の1手」を書き入れた封筒を渡された藤井は、封筒に赤ペンでサインした。
2日制の対局、前夜祭、対局会場の検分、すべてが初めての経験。封じ手の場面では、脇息(きょうそく)の上に封筒を置いて赤ペンで署名する「新手」? も披露した。 通常は脇息は使わないが、そこは未体験ゾーン。何事も経験しなければ分からない。
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相撲で例えると、ふんどし付けずにパンツ履いて土俵へ上がる様なもん?
チョンマゲ結わずにモヒカンで相撲とる様なもん?
土俵を土足で上がる様なもん?
塩を撒かずに砂糖を使用する様なもん?
どの程度のマナー違反なのか説明してくれ
さすがにやばい
ありえんやろこれ…
つまりはどういうことや?
>>4 書いてあるやろ
別にいいだろ
いつかやると思ってたわ
>>8 ほんとこれ 今までは許せたがさすがにこれはダメだわ
全然意味わかんなくて草
何がいかんのか教えてクレメンス
将棋のこと詳しくないからよくわからなかった
詰まるところはどういうことや?
そういや藤井くんいくら貰ってるんや?
>>33 4000万
藤井聡太、嫌儲となんJで嫌われすぎ問題
脇息使うのってマナー違反ちゃうで
どういうこと? 野球に例えて
>>22 バットをピッチャーや相手ベンチに向かって投げまくってるようなものや
次の対局はいつやるん?
きょうそくてなんや
>>24 棋士の横にある肘置き
ならどうするのが正解なんや?バインダー持参?
酔っぱらいの先輩もしてるからへーきへーき
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>>26 新手やないやん
>>26 なんやひさかたなめもやってんなら絶対アウトでもないやん 通常やらんくらいやろ
脇息で書くのがアウト 解説にも苦言を呈されてた
誰が怒ってるん
封じ手するのってタイトル戦以外ある?
>>31 先日やってたJT杯とかイベントでやる すぐ開封するけど
禁じ手なんてあるんやな 言われれば確かに不公平だわ
ワイも似たようなことやらかしたわ 客の荷物の上でサインしてしまった
脇息って肘おき?
>>36 せやで
また豪華(1000円以上)な飯食ったのか
よくわからないって言うと将棋通っぽい
将棋板で大バッシング受けてるぞ
>>42 正体現したね
>>42 ガンたれてるやんけ
また高いもの食べたんか
以前にもマナー違反で怒られてるが?
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いやあ、特に他意はなかったんですよ。「あっ、いえいえ、下座で構わないです」という返事を想定したうえでの問いかけだったので。 ところが、ここからが想定外。「そう…ですね……」と考慮すること3、4秒。 「では…」と、上座に向かったではないか。 え?
動揺させる作戦や
最後の一手を封筒でやりとりとかやばすぎだろ
強い奴が絶対の筈なのに作法だとかタイトル挑戦出来ないとか面倒やな
髪型変えてみて欲しいよな
今風に
脇息買おうかな
>>58 椅子生活じゃ無かったらアリやね
森内なんか封じ手の時間の直前に指して相手を挑発してたんだよなあ 悪気全くないんやけどそんなもんや
合理的思考のはずなのにこういうところは不合理なんだな
>>67 正座対局とかだって不合理もいいとこだからな 文化的な側面もあるから椅子対局に変えるのはそれっぽく見えなくて抵抗あるんやろうな
マイナーな業界すぎて何が悪いのか全く伝わらんやつ
めちゃくちゃ高いもんかと思ったら2万もしないんやなこれ
これ日またぐんなら寝室でソフトに意見聞けるやん 不正し放題やないんか?
>>84 一応電子機器持ち込み禁止とかルールはあるで
封じ手はヒカルの碁で学んだからなんとなくわかる
マナー講師が作ったマナーやろ
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